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− | Ground Units | + | == Ground Units == |
− | Tanks and other armored units | + | <br /> |
+ | === Tanks and other armored units === | ||
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NOTE: T-80 production has ceased. You have to get Ukrainian T-84s if you want them now. | NOTE: T-80 production has ceased. You have to get Ukrainian T-84s if you want them now. | ||
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* T-90A 'Vladimir' MBT: $4.15 million (based on Russian MOD) | * T-90A 'Vladimir' MBT: $4.15 million (based on Russian MOD) | ||
* T-90M MBT: $3.5 million - (based on Indian purchase) | * T-90M MBT: $3.5 million - (based on Indian purchase) | ||
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* BTR-T APC: $700,000 on Russian-supplied T-55 (based on costs for similar vehicles) | * BTR-T APC: $700,000 on Russian-supplied T-55 (based on costs for similar vehicles) | ||
* BTR-80 APC: $400,000 (guess based on prices for surplus units in late-90s) | * BTR-80 APC: $400,000 (guess based on prices for surplus units in late-90s) | ||
− | + | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A9hicule_blind%C3%A9_de_combat_d%27infanterie VBCI IFV]: $4 million (520 vehicles [http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-819.html#toc296 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015]) | |
− | Upgrades to existing tanks and armored units | + | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A9hicule_blind%C3%A9_de_combat_d%27infanterie VPC (command post vehicle)]: $3.1 million (110 vehicles [http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-819.html#toc296 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015]) |
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+ | === Upgrades to existing tanks and armored units === | ||
+ | <br /> | ||
* BMD-4 ACV: $500,000 upgrading from BMD-3 to BMD-4. | * BMD-4 ACV: $500,000 upgrading from BMD-3 to BMD-4. | ||
* BTR-T APC: $400,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks, $700,000 if you dont have any T-55s to upgrade (based on costs for similar vehicles) | * BTR-T APC: $400,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks, $700,000 if you dont have any T-55s to upgrade (based on costs for similar vehicles) | ||
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* BMP-1P: $600,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds a 9P13M Konkurs launcher on an exposed pintle. | * BMP-1P: $600,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds a 9P13M Konkurs launcher on an exposed pintle. | ||
* BMP-1PG: $350,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds an AGS-17 auto grenade launcher. | * BMP-1PG: $350,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds an AGS-17 auto grenade launcher. | ||
− | * BMP-1MS: $920,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds a new turret with 2 2A42 30mm autocannons, 1 Kornet launcher and 1 PKTM coax machine gun. | + | * BMP-1MS: $920,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds a new turret with 2 2A42 30mm autocannons, 1 Kornet launcher and 1 PKTM coax machine gun. |
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− | Artillery, rockets and missiles | + | === Artillery, rockets and missiles launchers === |
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* BM-30 300mm MRL: $12.1 million (based on very recent sale to India) | * BM-30 300mm MRL: $12.1 million (based on very recent sale to India) | ||
* 2S19 152mm SPH: $2.25 million (based on 2000 price) | * 2S19 152mm SPH: $2.25 million (based on 2000 price) | ||
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* 2S23 120mm SP Gun/Mortar: ~$750,000 (based on 2000 price | * 2S23 120mm SP Gun/Mortar: ~$750,000 (based on 2000 price | ||
* 9K720 Iskander: $120 million per battery (6 launch vehicles, 24 missiles, command and support vehicles) - (wild guess) | * 9K720 Iskander: $120 million per battery (6 launch vehicles, 24 missiles, command and support vehicles) - (wild guess) | ||
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− | Missile systems | + | === Missile systems === |
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* S-400 (SA-21): $400 million per fire unit (8 launchers, 112 missiles, command and support vehicles) (estimate based on performance figures, larger missile load, etc) | * S-400 (SA-21): $400 million per fire unit (8 launchers, 112 missiles, command and support vehicles) (estimate based on performance figures, larger missile load, etc) | ||
* S-300PMU-2 - (SA-20B): $200 million per fire unit (6 launchers, 48 missiles, command and support vehicles) (guess based on below) | * S-300PMU-2 - (SA-20B): $200 million per fire unit (6 launchers, 48 missiles, command and support vehicles) (guess based on below) | ||
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* Pantsir-S1: $16+ million (based on sale to Algeria) | * Pantsir-S1: $16+ million (based on sale to Algeria) | ||
* Bastion-P Coastal Defense Battery: $150 million for radar, control center, 6 launchers, & 36 missiles - (based on Syrian buy) | * Bastion-P Coastal Defense Battery: $150 million for radar, control center, 6 launchers, & 36 missiles - (based on Syrian buy) | ||
− | + | * [http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataWeapon?ID=2598 MdCN [Naval SCALP EG]]: $2.81 million ([http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-818.html#toc280 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015]) | |
− | Aircraft | + | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AASM AASM]([http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataWeapon?ID=478 SBU-38], [http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataWeapon?ID=1603 SBU-54], [http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataWeapon?ID=2596 SBU-64]): $192.774 ([http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-818.html#toc280 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015]) |
− | Fighters (multirole, air superiority, strike) | + | * [http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataWeapon?ID=2699 GMLRS]: $184.836 ([http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-818.html#toc280 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015]) |
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+ | == Aircraft == | ||
+ | <br /> | ||
+ | === Fighters (multirole, air superiority, strike) === | ||
+ | <br /> | ||
* Su-35: $75+ million - (most legitimate claims were $65 million, but the Su-30s real price makes it clear the Su-35 should be significantly higher than that) | * Su-35: $75+ million - (most legitimate claims were $65 million, but the Su-30s real price makes it clear the Su-35 should be significantly higher than that) | ||
* Su-30MK series: $60-70 million - (contract prices vary widely, from $50 million to Malaysia to over $80 million per unit for the Algerian trade-in) | * Su-30MK series: $60-70 million - (contract prices vary widely, from $50 million to Malaysia to over $80 million per unit for the Algerian trade-in) | ||
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* MiG-29K: ~$50-55 million (Indian acquisition was $46+ in 2004, should be slightly more expensive than MiG-29M, which has most of the improved features but is not reinforced for carrier operations) | * MiG-29K: ~$50-55 million (Indian acquisition was $46+ in 2004, should be slightly more expensive than MiG-29M, which has most of the improved features but is not reinforced for carrier operations) | ||
* MiG-29M: ~$50+ million ($5-10 mil more than SMT) | * MiG-29M: ~$50+ million ($5-10 mil more than SMT) | ||
− | * MiG-29SMT: $45+ million (various contracts at between $40 and $45 million, some as low as $37. But, cheaper ones, as shown in the last link, arent quite new-build) | + | * MiG-29SMT: $45+ million (various contracts at between $40 and $45 million, some as low as $37. But, cheaper ones, as shown in the last link, arent quite new-build) |
− | + | * Gripen NG ([http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=3201 E]/[http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=3367 F]): ~$70 million (8/28, Brazilian deal, 175% offset. Flight hour cost: less than $7000. Raids Aviation #16) | |
− | Helicopters and ground attack aircraft | + | * [http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=3642 Rafale B]: $82.7 million (110 aircraft [http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-818.html#toc280 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015]) |
− | + | * [http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=2788 Rafale C]: $77.1 million (118 aircraft [http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-818.html#toc280 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015]) | |
+ | * [http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=2789 Rafale M]: $88.4 million (58 aircraft [http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-818.html#toc280 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015]) | ||
+ | <br /> | ||
+ | === Helicopters and ground attack aircraft === | ||
+ | <br /> | ||
* Ka-52: ~$40-50 million (based on below) | * Ka-52: ~$40-50 million (based on below) | ||
* Ka-50N: ~$35-45 million (based on Mi-28 cost) | * Ka-50N: ~$35-45 million (based on Mi-28 cost) | ||
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* Mi-26M: $18 million - (guess based on military-today, adjusted upwards 50%) | * Mi-26M: $18 million - (guess based on military-today, adjusted upwards 50%) | ||
* Su-25TM/Su-39: $40 million - (rough estimate) | * Su-25TM/Su-39: $40 million - (rough estimate) | ||
+ | * [http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=324 Tigre HAP]: $31.9 million (40 helo [http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-819.html#toc296 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015]) | ||
+ | * [http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=359 Tigre HAD]: $42.1 million (40 helo [http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-819.html#toc296 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015]) | ||
+ | * [http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=652 Caïman Marine (NH90 NFH)]: $48.9 million (27 helo [http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-816.html#toc255 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015]) | ||
+ | * [http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=653 Caïman (NH90 TTH)]: $34.6 million (68 helo [http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-816.html#toc255 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015]) | ||
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+ | === Support (Transport, Tanker, Patrol...) === | ||
+ | <br /> | ||
+ | * [http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=1389 A.400M Atlas]: $179.7 million (15 aircraft [http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-816.html#toc255 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015]) | ||
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+ | == Ships == | ||
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+ | === Surface === | ||
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+ | * [http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataShip?ID=1766 FREMM]: $590.8 million (11 ships planned, 6 by 2019 [http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-819.html#toc296 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015]) | ||
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+ | === Submarine === | ||
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+ | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Barracuda-class_submarine Barracuda SSN]: $1.49 billion (4 subs, first in 2017 [http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-819.html#toc296 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015]) | ||
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Revision as of 06:33, 2 February 2015
Contents
Ground Units
Tanks and other armored units
NOTE: T-80 production has ceased. You have to get Ukrainian T-84s if you want them now.
- T-90A 'Vladimir' MBT: $4.15 million (based on Russian MOD)
- T-90M MBT: $3.5 million - (based on Indian purchase)
- T-90S MBT: $3.9 million - (based on Cyprus purchase)
- BMPT Tank Support Fighting Vehicle: $3 million - (educated guess based on the cost of a T-90)
- BMP-3M IFV: ~$3.5-4 million - (based on how dumbed down Greek vehicles were, and South Korean press release)
- BMP-3 IFV: $3.2 million for basic unit (based on Greek purchase)
- BMD-4 ACV: ~$4 million
- BMD-3 ACV: $3.5 million
- 2S25 Sprut-D: $4.5 million - (guess based on the cost of the BMD-3)
- BTR-90M IFV: ~$2 million (more guessing)
- BTR-90 IFV: ~$1.5 million (educated guess based on a statement that it costs half as much as the Stryker)
- BTR-82A IFV: ~$1.4 million - (See below)
- BTR-80A IFV: ~$1.2 million (guess based on relation to BTR-90)
- BRDM-3 Recce: ~$1.2 million (guess based on it being a BTR-80A variant)
- BTR-T APC: $700,000 on Russian-supplied T-55 (based on costs for similar vehicles)
- BTR-80 APC: $400,000 (guess based on prices for surplus units in late-90s)
- VBCI IFV: $4 million (520 vehicles Projet de loi de finances pour 2015)
- VPC (command post vehicle): $3.1 million (110 vehicles Projet de loi de finances pour 2015)
Upgrades to existing tanks and armored units
- BMD-4 ACV: $500,000 upgrading from BMD-3 to BMD-4.
- BTR-T APC: $400,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks, $700,000 if you dont have any T-55s to upgrade (based on costs for similar vehicles)
- BMPT Tank Support Fighting Vehicle: $1.4 million as an upgrade to existing T-72 stocks - (based on BTR-T upgrade costs and T-72 modernization projects)
- T-55M5: $700,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. This modernization kit adds convex explosive reactive armour "Kontakt-5" panels around turret front, armour panel on glacis plate, a longer hull, a new style fire control equipment with stabilized TVK-3 and TKN-1SM sights for the gunner and commander, an improved V-55U engine (or V-46-5M) and a main gun stabilization system. The original 100 mm D-10T2S gun is maintained
- T-55M6: $1.8 million as an upgrade of existing stocks ($2.4 million with options). A more radical upgrade with longer chassis with 6 road wheels each side, a 690 hp V-46-5M diesel engine and with the complete turret with automatic loader and 2A46M 125mm main gun of the T-72BM. Also the protection was increased to T-80U level. Optionally the tank can be equipped with the 1A40-1 fire control system with ATGM system 9K120 "Svir" (as T-72B) or with the 1A42 and 9K119 "Refleks" systems (as T-80U).
- T-72BM: $800,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. This adds a new 125mm gun, 1,000 hp diesel, a thermal gunners site, new camouflage, and Relikt ERA (which is supposed to be twice as effective as Kontakt-5)
- BMP-1P: $600,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds a 9P13M Konkurs launcher on an exposed pintle.
- BMP-1PG: $350,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds an AGS-17 auto grenade launcher.
- BMP-1MS: $920,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds a new turret with 2 2A42 30mm autocannons, 1 Kornet launcher and 1 PKTM coax machine gun.
Artillery, rockets and missiles launchers
- BM-30 300mm MRL: $12.1 million (based on very recent sale to India)
- 2S19 152mm SPH: $2.25 million (based on 2000 price)
- 2A65/MZ-146-1 152mm towed howitzer: $800,000 - (based on the costs of the French 155mm SP and towed howitzers, and the 2S19)
- 2S31 120mm SP Gun/Mortar: $1 million (based on 2000 price)
- 2S23 120mm SP Gun/Mortar: ~$750,000 (based on 2000 price
- 9K720 Iskander: $120 million per battery (6 launch vehicles, 24 missiles, command and support vehicles) - (wild guess)
Missile systems
- S-400 (SA-21): $400 million per fire unit (8 launchers, 112 missiles, command and support vehicles) (estimate based on performance figures, larger missile load, etc)
- S-300PMU-2 - (SA-20B): $200 million per fire unit (6 launchers, 48 missiles, command and support vehicles) (guess based on below)
- S-300PMU-1 - (SA-20A): $160 million per fire unit (6 launchers, 48 missiles, command and support vehicles) - (based on VERY recent Iranian order and other sales)
- Buk-M1-2 (SA-17): ~$120 million per battalion with 6 TELARs, 6 transloaders, & 36 missiles (pretty much a guess)
- Tor-M1 (SA-15): $25 million (based on possible future sale)
- Pantsir-S1: $16+ million (based on sale to Algeria)
- Bastion-P Coastal Defense Battery: $150 million for radar, control center, 6 launchers, & 36 missiles - (based on Syrian buy)
- MdCN [Naval SCALP EG]: $2.81 million (Projet de loi de finances pour 2015)
- AASM(SBU-38, SBU-54, SBU-64): $192.774 (Projet de loi de finances pour 2015)
- GMLRS: $184.836 (Projet de loi de finances pour 2015)
Aircraft
Fighters (multirole, air superiority, strike)
- Su-35: $75+ million - (most legitimate claims were $65 million, but the Su-30s real price makes it clear the Su-35 should be significantly higher than that)
- Su-30MK series: $60-70 million - (contract prices vary widely, from $50 million to Malaysia to over $80 million per unit for the Algerian trade-in)
- Su-33: ~$60-70 million - (based on relative prices of other Russian aircraft)
- Su-32: ~$60-65 million - (based on relative prices of other Russian aircraft)
- MiG-35: $55-60 million (assuming this is just referring to flyaway)
- MiG-29K: ~$50-55 million (Indian acquisition was $46+ in 2004, should be slightly more expensive than MiG-29M, which has most of the improved features but is not reinforced for carrier operations)
- MiG-29M: ~$50+ million ($5-10 mil more than SMT)
- MiG-29SMT: $45+ million (various contracts at between $40 and $45 million, some as low as $37. But, cheaper ones, as shown in the last link, arent quite new-build)
- Gripen NG (E/F): ~$70 million (8/28, Brazilian deal, 175% offset. Flight hour cost: less than $7000. Raids Aviation #16)
- Rafale B: $82.7 million (110 aircraft Projet de loi de finances pour 2015)
- Rafale C: $77.1 million (118 aircraft Projet de loi de finances pour 2015)
- Rafale M: $88.4 million (58 aircraft Projet de loi de finances pour 2015)
Helicopters and ground attack aircraft
- Ka-52: ~$40-50 million (based on below)
- Ka-50N: ~$35-45 million (based on Mi-28 cost)
- Mi-28: ~$35-40 million (based on sale of used units to Turkey)
- Mi-35: $16+ million (based on sale to Venezuela)
- Ka-60/64: $12 million (based on sale to India)
- Mi-17/Mi-8: $9 million (based on sale to Venezuela)
- Ka-27: $12 million - (based on the costs of the similar in size Mi-17)
- Mi-26M: $18 million - (guess based on military-today, adjusted upwards 50%)
- Su-25TM/Su-39: $40 million - (rough estimate)
- Tigre HAP: $31.9 million (40 helo Projet de loi de finances pour 2015)
- Tigre HAD: $42.1 million (40 helo Projet de loi de finances pour 2015)
- Caïman Marine (NH90 NFH): $48.9 million (27 helo Projet de loi de finances pour 2015)
- Caïman (NH90 TTH): $34.6 million (68 helo Projet de loi de finances pour 2015)
Support (Transport, Tanker, Patrol...)
- A.400M Atlas: $179.7 million (15 aircraft Projet de loi de finances pour 2015)
Ships
Surface
- FREMM: $590.8 million (11 ships planned, 6 by 2019 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015)
Submarine
- Barracuda SSN: $1.49 billion (4 subs, first in 2017 Projet de loi de finances pour 2015)